Early Mk III in Oregon

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Early Mk III in Oregon

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First of all: Hi, I'm the new one :D -> Ralf from Germany.
I've read a lot in this interesting forum an now its time for me to say hello and look for the right car for my garage.

Because I'm looking for a LHD car there are not so many cars on the market that are interesting me (and my budget).
This morning I've found one on ebay.com which is offered by a dealer in Oregon, US:
http://www.sportscarshop.com/1971-jense ... eries-iii/

What do you think about this car? Looks nice for me.

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Looks a straight car

Less than £16,000 sounds a good buy

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Nice to see a car advertised with proper photos showing a full picture of the vehicles condition, £16K sounds too little! (would it be cheaper to pay K&D to assess it rather than flying over to Oregon?)
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Hi,
Pls think on the transportcosts and custom duties when a US car is going to be imported to Europe !!!!
I advice to search via the UK specialists. (I have good experience with Andy Brooks from Appleyards)

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Anton001 wrote:Hi,
Pls think on the transportcosts and custom duties when a US car is going to be imported to Europe !!!!
Cheers
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Just a reminder, you should be able to import a Jensen Interceptor from the USA to Europe with zero customs import duty and 5% VAT only.
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Thats right what Chris says. Importing a car via Rotterdam is without custom duties and only 6 % VAT.
I always calculate Dollar to Euro 1:1 so a car I buy in the States for 24 k $ has total costs of 24 k € when it is finally in Germany. This simple calculation only works when you import via Rotterdam, not via Bremerhaven.

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currywurstcarpaccio wrote:Thats right what Chris says. Importing a car via Rotterdam is without custom duties and only 6 % VAT.
I always calculate Dollar to Euro 1:1 so a car I buy in the States for 24 k $ has total costs of 24 k € when it is finally in Germany. This simple calculation only works when you import via Rotterdam, not via Bremerhaven.

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To my knowledge, that is not correct Ralf. I cannot explain why imports through Rotterdam might have been given a rate of 6% although that may have been in the past before harmonisation was completed.
The importation is to the EU, not to any specific country in the EU.
Import duties are now harmonised across the EU and all member states have to apply the same rules. For items of historic interest there is zero import duty and an EU wide VAT rate of 5%. Items of historic interest includes motor cars over 30 years of age.
What you need to do is apply for a Binding Tariff Information under Chapter 97.05 of the Tariff Classifications. As the title of the document indicates this is a binding agreement that states the rate of import duty and VAT that will be applied to the goods being imported and this is legally binding across the entire EU for up to 6 years after the date of issue. It can be applied for in any EU country and I am sure it can then take effect in any other EU country, in other words you do not have to import into the country where you get the agreement. You can for example, get the agreement in the UK and then land the car in Germany and still only pay 5% VAT.
It has to be applied for and granted, and this is most important, before the item (in this case the car) leaves the origin country (in this case the USA). It takes up to 6 weeks to process the application.
The advantage of doing it this way is that you are guaranteed no import hassles when the car arrives at your chosen port. You have a legally binding agreement so simply turn up, pay the 5% VAT and you are on your way. Otherwise you will risk having the car classified and assessed under Chapter 87 for Motor Vehicles which involves normal import duties and VAT rates.
How do I know this? Because I've done it.
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Thank you Chris, indeed I've not that special knowledge of these duty and VAT themes.
In case of an import I'll contact a shipping company who will manage all.

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Dear Chris

You are right for all European countrys - but not for Germany.
The German custom simlpy charge you 19% VAT and 10% custom duty, because they do not accept any car as good of historic interest. So simple is that.

My "Hemiceptor" was imported via Liverpool (5% VAT) my last Interceptor via Rotterdam (6% VAT).

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PS: There is one good reason for us to look for cars in the US - they are LHD.
RHD cars are more difficult if it comes to selling them one day.
I own some of the odd Jensen 8)
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I confess I am puzzled about this because the last time I looked Germany was a member of the EU and these are EU regulations, so the German authorities cannot legally charge you more if you have a Binding Tariff Information (BTI). The legal situation is that if you get a BTI, then this must apply across the EU and the European Commission have declared that cars over 30 years old are presumed to be of historic interest. There is documentation from the European Commission that supports all this.
With the wording from the EU it would be difficult for even the German authorities to deny a BTI classification under Chapter 97.05 and once classified that way the import duty and VAT rates are as specified in that Chapter. Believe me, EU law is on your side on this one. The UK authorities have lost several tribunals where they tried to decline Chapter 97 classification to cars over 30 years of age.
The key to this is to get the BTI first.
Now, you maybe correct that the German port authorities do not accept any car as of historic interest in which case they will charge 10% customs + VAT which are the Chapter 87 rates. However, if you do get a BTI from anywhere in the EU then even the German authorities have no choice but to accept it and can only charge you 5% VAT. They cannot legally deny this rate. Since the European Commission sets the VAT rate for the import of historic items, that rate is 5% and local governments have no power to vary it. The rate in Rotterdam, Liverpool or Bremerhaven will be the same 5%. And you have EU regulations behind you to enforce that rate. But only if you have a BTI.
Without the BTI you are at the mercy of the port authorities who will make their own classification and tariff decision based on their own knowledge and local rules. If they do not know about the historic rates or choose not to apply them then you have to pay the Chapter 87 rates and have no choice.
When you imported the Hemiceptor via Liverpool did you apply in advance for the Binding Tariff Information from the Customs authorities?
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The car is now offered on mobile.de for 35.000 Euro (transport and customs in europe included). In February it was sold on ebay.com for 16.000 Euro (converted Dollars). Thats the way it goes ;-)

http://suchen.mobile.de/fahrzeuge/detai ... Order=true
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