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Re: Keeping Busy Whilst Self Isolating

Posted: Sun Jul 26, 2020 9:22 pm
by Grant
Lovely Kev.. what a thrill :P .. So exiting when you start putting bits on rather than taking them off!! :D .. Keep going son :P

Re: Keeping Busy Whilst Self Isolating

Posted: Sun Jul 26, 2020 11:53 pm
by VFK44
Kevin Birch wrote:The engine bay needs cutting back to get a better finish, but am really happy with it. :D
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I've been reading about a 911 that came second in the national Porsche GB restoration competition. The painters were under strict instructions to duplicate the factory finish for all interior panels, which meant lots of random orange-peel. For a 60s Ford that would probably be lots of drips, a bare patch, and a footprint.

Re: Keeping Busy Whilst Self Isolating

Posted: Mon Jul 27, 2020 6:21 am
by Grant
VFK44 wrote: For a 60s Ford that would probably be lots of drips, a bare patch, and a footprint.
:lol: :lol:

Re: Keeping Busy Whilst Self Isolating

Posted: Mon Jul 27, 2020 9:42 pm
by Kevin Birch
slotcarone wrote:Looks nice! I hope those brake lines are just copper coated steel! Copper tubing is not used for brake lines. :)
They are copper, it isn't illegal in the UK to use copper for brake lines and is the most common material when being replaced, as it is easy to shape and flare. The issue with copper is that they can crack due to work hardening, but in reality if fixed correctly this rarely happens on a road car. I've never had a copper pipe fail , but have had steel ones rust through and burst, with dangerous consequencies. You can't use copper on race vehicles due to the massive body vibrations brought on by solid engine mounts and stiff suspension, which will cause work hardening and cracking of the copper.
I had a steel pipe burst on my range rover 2 years ago, 2 months after an MOT but the pipe was not visible at the point it burst, so was not detected. Scared the S**t out of me, even with modern brakes the pedal went soft and the car didn't stop as quick as I was expecting. I suppose there are pros and cons for each, and as I've never had any issues with copper will keep using it, plus you can make them look nice.

Re: Keeping Busy Whilst Self Isolating

Posted: Mon Jul 27, 2020 10:01 pm
by Kevin Birch
VFK44 wrote:
Kevin Birch wrote:The engine bay needs cutting back to get a better finish, but am really happy with it. :D
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I've been reading about a 911 that came second in the national Porsche GB restoration competition. The painters were under strict instructions to duplicate the factory finish for all interior panels, which meant lots of random orange-peel. For a 60s Ford that would probably be lots of drips, a bare patch, and a footprint.
That's alright then, as that is what I've got, with a few fingerprints thrown in to prove I'm the guilty party :D

This reminded me of something I read years ago, slightly off topic about interpreting the rules. I think it was NASCAR racing, and that certain items on the cars have to have the same specifications to stop unfair advantage and so supposedly closer racing, i.e. tyre size, engine size fuel tank size etc. It was during one race that one of the teams managed to stay out longer between fuel stops than any other car. Obviously due to the specifications, the cars would all refuel within a few laps of each other to try to gain some advantage, but this one team was out of sync with the others and having fewer fuel stops over the race naturally won. Under scrutiny the car passed as it had correct engine size, and fuel tank, but there was no rules about the fuel pipe, and this team's cars were fitted with 4inch diameter fuel pipe from front to back, holding several more gallons giving an advantage :D . I love stuff like this.

Re: Keeping Busy Whilst Self Isolating

Posted: Mon Jul 27, 2020 11:36 pm
by Basil McKinley
The issue with copper is that they can crack due to work hardening
I understand cupro-nickel (cunifer) can be used which gets around the work hardening issue,

Regards,
Basil

Re: Keeping Busy Whilst Self Isolating

Posted: Tue Jul 28, 2020 1:20 am
by slotcarone
I have been working on cars both professionally and as a hobby since the '60's. Here in The States copper is never used as brake lines. Steel is very easy to shape and flare with the proper tools. On our garage kept cars the new steel lines will last a long time. That being said I respect your knowledge Kevin. Obviously you have had a lot of experience with this stuff too. Keeping them rolling! :)

Re: Keeping Busy Whilst Self Isolating

Posted: Tue Jul 28, 2020 9:37 am
by Wolfgang
I started my race career in the seventies, there had been also in some seasons some lack in regulations, so I remember one season we started to deep cooling the fuel (around -40 degrees) so the volume shrinked about 5% with double advantage: you're filler neck was restricted in diameter and 5% less volume means around 5% less refueling time, and second 5% more tank volume. :wink: :lol: :lol:
after one season it was forbidden..

Re: Keeping Busy Whilst Self Isolating

Posted: Tue Jul 28, 2020 9:50 am
by Wolfgang
slotcarone wrote:I have been working on cars both professionally and as a hobby since the '60's. Here in The States copper is never used as brake lines. Steel is very easy to shape and flare with the proper tools. On our garage kept cars the new steel lines will last a long time. That being said I respect your knowledge Kevin. Obviously you have had a lot of experience with this stuff too. Keeping them rolling! :)
Hi Slotty,

in Germany copper is not allowed, you'll never get TÜV. In Belgium they had been very open minded with vintage cars (O-plate), means once having this plate no more Autokeuring (means technical inspection). But now they revised it - every 2 years you have to go. Due to racing we're always trying to push the limit's but limited to brake system, tyres and steering - here we try to be always on the safe side.
The lowering I'll try again :lol: :lol: :lol:

Re: Keeping Busy Whilst Self Isolating

Posted: Thu Aug 06, 2020 11:12 pm
by Kevin Birch
Spending lots of time on it at the moment, although progress seems to be slow, lots of little niggly bits to do, like sorting the clips for the pipes underneath, and wiring loom ends etc. Servo and master cylinders rebuilt, need new caps for them, but actually pulling all the bits out to put back on is sooooo time consuming, as everything needs painting etc. Got to remove the master cylinders as they hold the pedal box in, and have realised the box needs to come back out as there is some moulded sound deadening that needs to go on the inside of the bulkhead BEFORE the pedal box is bolted in. :( Have got new loom clips but will put then in when I'm certain the loom doesn't need to come out, as they are a nightmare to remove once installed. Boot area is now ready for painting, its had several primer coats, then rubbed down, the amount of runs in the original white paint in this area was scary, they weren't noticeable until rubbing down the primer and then the runs became very apparent. Probably spent 3 days now in the boot!! :shock: Filter for the servo is in the dishwasher at the moment, with a sunvisor and air vent eye ball, to see how they respond. The washer bottle has already been through and came up quite well :D
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Re: Keeping Busy Whilst Self Isolating

Posted: Fri Aug 07, 2020 6:13 am
by Grant
Oh Wow..Proud of You BirchyMan :wink: ..Looking really Cool, Well done Man..You obviously have too much time on your hands at the moment, don't forget to do the house work too!!, Don't want to hear that GrimeBusters need to visit!! :D

Re: Keeping Busy Whilst Self Isolating

Posted: Fri Aug 07, 2020 9:40 am
by Kevin Birch
House isn't getting dirty, I'm always in the garage!!!!

Re: Keeping Busy Whilst Self Isolating

Posted: Fri Aug 07, 2020 11:42 am
by Wolfgang
a filter I had not in the dishwasher up to now, but for many other parts the dishwasher is used frequently. They're looking quite good afterwards. In the beginning my wife was not so happy but now she adapted :lol: :lol: :lol:
The boot of the Jensen is also my next task, has to be refurbished completely, but having no idea how it looked the time it was original. Has somebody a photo of a boot of his convertible?
Thanks
Wolfgang