Sale of new Petrol & Diesel only cars to be banned from 2035

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The nightmare begins in Netherlands, beginning from march 16th on the highways daytime (6-19h) speed limit of 100!!! +20 means a fine of € 174, +50 a fine calculated on income base, in general they're fining then with 30-60 so named dayrates (example calculation: monthly income € 5,000/30 = € 166*60= € 10,000!!! - your fine).
In all big cities all cars lower than Euronorm 5 are banned, including classic cars.

So the ban of fuel in some years becomes realistic!!!

The fun ends here and now. And we're having no lobby, no Gretchen (Thunberg) sitting on the road for the petrolheads of us!
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Wolfgang,
Take heart, young man. Help is at hand. Do not be despondent.
Greta never talks about the science, because there isn't any, on her side, and she knows nothing.
But a young German girl is here, Naomi Seibt.
She will fight off the know-nothing Alarmists, with science, truth, and common sense.
:) :) :)
Of course, if you remain in Belgium or Nederlands, you're screwed anyway.
Your politicians are barmy.
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Great comment, thank you.

I fled Germany because of politics, now fleeing again to UK?
But this time not such easy, my wife having a brilliant job here and feeling well and Im running my nice little garage (first time I'm doing about what I dreamt my whole career) with responsibility for 4 employees...?

Or building my own private race track (since Gretchen you'll never get a permit) and on the other hand I'm unfortunately not the Earl of March regarding real estate and financial possiblities...

So staying here with our incredible politicians and polluting Germany with my high speed tests on their highways as long as possible 8) :lol: :lol:
Indeed politicians are a very special species, having unfortunately nothing in common with us normal human beings.

Or I change to the wheel chair pushed by the blond beauty, then my pulse is quite more than 180 instead of my driving speed :P :D :D

All you petrolheads - have a nice day
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Wolfgang wrote:Great comment, thank you.

I fled Germany because of politics, now fleeing again to UK?

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Wolfgang, don't come to UK our politics aren't very good either..
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Wolfgang wrote: In all big cities all cars lower than Euronorm 5 are banned, including classic cars.
Not quite true.
In NL only a few cities ban older petrol and diesel cars. Rotterdam has left the path and now does not allow diesel lorries but do allow cars again as tests before and after the earlier introduction did not show any difference in pollution.
Classic cars are allowed in all cities.
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colin7673 wrote:
Wolfgang wrote:Great comment, thank you.

I fled Germany because of politics, now fleeing again to UK?

Wolfgang
Wolfgang, don't come to UK our politics aren't very good either..
Thought politics are improving a little bit since the Brexit?
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kees wrote:
Wolfgang wrote: In all big cities all cars lower than Euronorm 5 are banned, including classic cars.
Not quite true.
In NL only a few cities ban older petrol and diesel cars. Rotterdam has left the path and now does not allow diesel lorries but do allow cars again as tests before and after the earlier introduction did not show any difference in pollution.
Classic cars are allowed in all cities.
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Sorry Kees,
you're right this regulation is in most of our cities in Belgium, but as I remember (but not being quite sure) Maastricht fair was allowed to drive and park but not the city?

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Wolfgang,
As long as you have a classic car (40 yrs+ , I am not sure for 25yrs+)) you can drive anywhere.
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kees wrote:Wolfgang,
As long as you have a classic car (40 yrs+ , I am not sure for 25yrs+)) you can drive anywhere.
Cheers,
Kees Oudesluijs
for the Antwerp classics we have been informed that we are allowed to drive to the fair area but not into the city and here in Belgium it's about an O-plate, with the Lotus I managed to get them 3 years ago, afterwards then they augmented the minimum age to 30+, in Germany the H plate was always 30+, the Lola will be a hybrid when ready -will be interesting which decision is then taken by the authorities-, the others, including the Jensen, having German plates...

But for the future it may be expected that classic cars are banned more and more. In Stuttgart some years ago when I resided there, they started to ban Diesels and cars without Euronorm on days with high pollution, in general you're having these green zones in Germany allowing you to drive in only with the corresponding sticker, up to now classics are having exception.
In principle I'm supporting these solutions in order to get the cities more clean, but this result was in Stuttgart not really given, because fine dust you're also getting from the brakes. Stuttgart only faced an improvement during the so named 'car free day', because that day was very windy, blowing all the dust out of the city, which is in fact situated in a 'pot' and in plus no new pollution produced.

A solution must be conceptual, not driven by restrictions - my opinion.

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What is crude oil and what are petroleum products?
Crude oil is a mixture of hydrocarbons that formed from plants and animals that lived millions of years ago. Crude oil is a fossil fuel, and it exists in liquid form in underground pools or reservoirs, in tiny spaces within sedimentary rocks, and near the surface in tar (or oil) sands. Petroleum products are fuels made from crude oil and other hydrocarbons contained in natural gas. Petroleum products can also be made from coal, natural gas, and biomass.
Products made from crude oil
After crude oil is removed from the ground, it is sent to a refinery where different parts of the crude oil are separated into useable petroleum products. These petroleum products include gasoline, distillates such as diesel fuel and heating oil, jet fuel, petrochemical feedstocks, waxes, lubricating oils, and asphalt.
A U.S 42-gallon barrel of crude oil yields about 45 gallons of petroleum products in U.S. refineries because of refinery processing gain. This increase in volume is similar to what happens to popcorn when it is popped.

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What are petroleum products, and what is petroleum used for?
Petroleum products include transportation fuels, fuel oils for heating and electricity generation, asphalt and road oil, and feedstocks for making the chemicals, plastics, and synthetic materials that are in nearly everything we use. Of the approximately 7.21 billion barrels of total U.S. petroleum consumption in 2016, 47% was motor gasoline (includes ethanol), 20% was distillate fuel (heating oil and diesel fuel), and 8% was jet fuel.
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A partial list of products made from Petroleum (144 of 6000 items)
One 42-gallon barrel of oil creates 19.4 gallons of gasoline. The rest (over half) is used to make things like:
Solvents Diesel fuel Motor Oil Bearing Grease
Ink Floor Wax Ballpoint Pens Football Cleats
Upholstery Sweaters Boats Insecticides
Bicycle Tires Sports Car Bodies Nail Polish Fishing lures
Dresses Tires Golf Bags Perfumes
Cassettes Dishwasher parts Tool Boxes Shoe Polish
Motorcycle Helmet Caulking Petroleum Jelly Transparent Tape
CD Player Faucet Washers Antiseptics Clothesline
Curtains Food Preservatives Basketballs Soap
Vitamin Capsules Antihistamines Purses Shoes
Dashboards Cortisone Deodorant Shoelace Aglets
Putty Dyes Panty Hose Refrigerant
Percolators Life Jackets Rubbing Alcohol Linings
Skis TV Cabinets Shag Rugs Electrician’s Tape
Tool Racks Car Battery Cases Epoxy Paint
Mops Slacks Insect Repellent Oil Filters
Umbrellas Yarn Fertilizers Hair Coloring
Roofing Toilet Seats Fishing Rods Lipstick
Denture Adhesive Linoleum Ice Cube Trays Synthetic Rubber
Speakers Plastic Wood Electric Blankets Glycerin
Tennis Rackets Rubber Cement Fishing Boots Dice
Nylon Rope Candles Trash Bags House Paint
Water Pipes Hand Lotion Roller Skates Surf Boards
Shampoo Wheels Paint Rollers Shower Curtains
Guitar Strings Luggage Aspirin Safety Glasses
Antifreeze Football Helmets Awnings Eyeglasses
Clothes Toothbrushes Ice Chests Footballs
Combs CD’s & DVD’s Paint Brushes Detergents
Vaporizers Balloons Sun Glasses Tents
Heart Valves Crayons Parachutes Telephones
Enamel Pillows Dishes Cameras
Anesthetics Artificial Turf Artificial limbs Bandages
Dentures Model Cars Folding Doors Hair Curlers
Cold cream Movie film Soft Contact lenses Drinking Cups
Fan Belts Car Enamel Shaving Cream Ammonia
Refrigerators Golf Balls Toothpaste Gasoline

So if petrol and Diesel engines are banned, there is still all these type of products and many more being produced in factories around the world putting impurities into our atmosphere... Really will it make that much difference?
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Of course not. None whatsoever.
But you see, 'Climate Change' is all about politics, introducing socialism, controlling every aspect of your life, and reducing you to a serf.
It has nothing to do with the climate, which is doing fine.
CO2 was being demonized, but as its effect is not provable or quantifiable, they are finding other 'problems' now.
Of course, Celebrities, the very rich, and gormless sermonizing Royalty can do whatever they want.
It's just the 'gullible' peasants who need to change their ways.
Watch on YouTube:
"Agenda 21 in less than 5 minutes."

And how do you explain over 15,000 people recently travelling to Bristol to gawp at Greta Thunberg (in the rain) telling them the world is on fire?
It's mass hysteria.
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Hi Felix,

I'm a very young member of this forum instead of you, but please keep this forum open minded, as long as nobody is putting his finger directly on a specified person disgracing him, he is not passing my personal 'red line'.

I like the open discussions here, remember my chat with you about speeding and braking, Kees corrected me regarding the restrictions, I appreciate that. Julian, Grant and others are helping me with their profound experience in order to get my red Diva on the road again - that's why I like to spend time here and to participate in various discussions. Being invited in a number of clubs due to my different cars I may say this here is the most vital.

Some of my thoughts to climate change:

climate change - a clear yes from my side, but improvement should not be done in simple activism without a general concept. Locally we should prevent the cities from air pollution and if needed also by ban off combustion engines there, but then it must be proven before that this is a part of a general improvement.
I bought my Tesla because of tax incentives - and that should be the way to change behaviour of mankind.

In general we should try to reduce emissions of mankind, not easy with 8 billion! And in contrary to Naomi and the AfD completely denying that mankind has influence to the planet, I say yes we’ve changed the planet and that mostly in the last 200 years. Sitting in planes very often I have the time to have a look from above - no other species is building roads and houses - from a height of 30,000 feet you only see the influence of mankind (roads, cities - black clouds over them when landing).
Yes we’re slowly approaching the next ice age, in some 100.000 to 1.000.000 years (here the prediction is very unprecise) and before the climate is getting warmer (as science extrapolates, because having no real data out of the last ice age), yes we’re loosing the north pole ice cap, we cannot stop it - but we should try our best to reduce the acceleration of warming caused by us, a process we started with industrialization around 200 years ago then it should be clear for us as normal guys with normal intelligence that this could not be done in one day by idiotic activism.

We need a global common solution, like now caused by Corona with the clear goal - stop it! I doubt if closing frontiers, stopping air travel, closing shops and cafes are the optimum to prevent the spreading but it may slow it down. And the same we have to do with a worldwide common sense compared with a good base concept to be developed step by step for reducing our pollution. Replace the crude oil part completely by fuel gained out of plants like sunflowers or rapeseed (technically possible and climate neutral), but then the whole planet will turn yellow in monocultures and we will end up in shortage of water.

And also yes - it's business based, like nearly the whole mankind is driven by that!

So let’s keep the discussion on.

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