Rolling MOT Exemption

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David Devine wrote:The way I read the government form I do not have to do anything until my tax runs out next April then I tick the box for no MOT required. It says unlike tax exempt I get MOT exempt automatically until the Tax renewal.


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I have just done it anyway for peace of mind in case there is any confusion. All you have to do is go on-line and apply for tax as if it has run out using the V5C, then it renews it for a year from today and asks the MoT question.
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Owning multiple vehicles, it's made it much more convenient for me.
If (as is the case) several need MOT's at around the same time and I don't manage to get them all done before they're due, it gives me some breathing space now :D
I will however still get the MOT done for all vehicles for my own peace of mind.
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The interseting bit will be the experiences of those getting MOT voluntary or forced because of substantial modification. The MOT itself has changed and our older cars would generally not pass even though we would have passed the old one. Things like oil leaks etc can now fail a car. The Gov have asked MOT testers to use common sense on 40 year old cars but that is a grey area and the MOT testers are asking for more clarification.
You'll still need a sympathic garage who has an understanding of our cars. Go to some garages and you'll get a probe up the exhaust for C02 and a fail because they can't plug into your OBC.
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I thought I heard that the goverment did a last minute u turn and all vehicles over 40 years old will be tested to previous standards.
This would still cause problems in a few years time when new testers dont understand the old system but it would avoid things like small oil leaks being a problem.
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JHV8 wrote: and a fail because they can't plug into your OBC.
Please tell us the source you got that nugget from....?
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Keith wrote:
JHV8 wrote: and a fail because they can't plug into your OBC.
Please tell us the source you got that nugget from....?
I don't think Rob is saying it SHOULD happen, just that someone will be gormless enough to try it.
I heard this week of someone who took a 1928 Model A in for an MOT. It was failed for half inch free play on the steering; it had to be pointed out that the relevant figure for a steering box is 3"! I guess they'd never come across something like that before.
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Memories of taking my FF to Quick Fit for an MOT as it was close to work. I can't remember what they failed it and how much they quoted me to fix it but I took it up to Ken Bird at Portbury who checked it and issued an MOT for it.

As has been said it does help if the garage know old cars. Luckily my local garage now have a rally Escort and an Esprit, and one of the mechanics used to have one of those Jensen-Healey things.
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A typical example of why our cars can fail is front wheel bearings, very few if any modern cars have any free play and ''new'' MOT testers don't know this.

I would suggest all classic car owners find a classic friendly MOT testing station and once you do pass the information on to fellow classic car owners.

The one I use comes highly recommended and many classic car owners in the Cotswolds use him, he was telling me how far some classic cars travel to use him.

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Being a former MOT tester I have been following the new rules with interest, at first I thought that they were a bit draconian.

After chatting with a current tester a couple of weeks ago he has clarified a few points (bearing in mind it is his interpretation of the rules, however he is very strict and will not turn a blind eye to anything).
It is mainly aimed at more modern cars that have been fiddled with, i.e. removal of CATS , re chipped , etc.

It would appear nothing much has changed, for instance an oil leak will fail. But providing it is not dripping on the testers head it should not be a problem. Emissions have never been an issue as old cars are not required to have an emissions test, the only requirement is a visible smoke test when the engine is revved.

There are three grades of failure, the most serious would mean the vehicle should not be driven home. Again this has always been the case.

The rules have been changed (ironically) to fall in line with EU regulations, the EU are stating that if a vehicle driven in Europe from the UK did not undergo the same test as there cars then they would not recognise a UK MOT.
There are plenty of classic cars running about in the EU with no apparent problems passing yearly tests, so it should not be a problem here.

What I would strongly advise against doing is declaring no mods when you know there has been. I have no idea how they are going to police the new regulations, but I suspect that if they discover someone has abused the system they might have the power to seize the vehicle.

If you have any doubt about the road worthiness of your car then take it for a pre MOT before the old one expires, if it does fail the inspection then you'll have time to rectify it before the MOT expires. If it passes inspection then just arrange an MOT ASAP .
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Is there anybody out there who can explain what happens when we drive our lovely old cars
off the ferry in Calais with no M.O.T. because we do not need it anymore in the UK.
In France we have the C.T. ( Control Technical) every two years and if you get stopped over here its the first
thing they check,So what is French for I do not need a C.T anymore?
Will they just wave you on your way or impound your car!
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Chris, the EU regulations provide for testing exemption for historic vehicles. I'm not sure how they identify those in France, in Germany they have historic vehicle registrations with an H as the last letter, in the UK we have historic vehicle road tax classification marked as such on your V5 which you should be carrying. Somewhere in the EU regulations is a definition for a historic vehicle and the requirement for modified vehicles to be tested also comes from the regulations. Each member state was permitted to implement testing exemption as it decided.
In France you would possibly say "C'est une voiture historique et il est exempter", or something like that.
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I have just retaxed my Jensen although it did not run out until April unfortunately it did not ask me the MOT question. Maybe they have updated the form since James did his. I will have to wait till next June now. Unless I missed the question on the form.

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I took my Jensen for it test yesterday.

My tester said his bit about '' do I know I don't actually need one anymore but he can do one as long I understand that''.

While he was doing the test he told me about a J Reg Land Rover that was marginal on last years test that had turned up the previous week for a booked MOT, he told the owner he no long needed an MOT and he smiled rubbed his hands together and said '' result'' apparently he knew it had little chance of passing but was going to get it tested to see if it was worth getting repaired. It just goes to show that there are people who think this is just a way of saving money with little or no regard to there vehicles roadworthiness. Hopefully he will get pulled by the Dibbles and they will examine the vehicle.

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Steve Payne wrote:but was going to get it tested to see if it was worth getting repaired.
Did he get it tested then? Not clear from your post.
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Keith wrote:
Steve Payne wrote:but was going to get it tested to see if it was worth getting repaired.
Did he get it tested then? Not clear from your post.
Nope he jumped back in his Land Rover and drove off.

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