Why did the thread get deleted?

[mojo]

I don't have any issue with the thread being locked and, possibly, edited to take out some of the personal comments which were inappropriate, but it's a shame that a decision was made to delete it.

It's unfortunate because the basic information being conveyed in the thread - information that could be helpful to any JOC member looking to buy a vehicle - is that some or all of the vehicle auctions on Ebay being listed by the Ebay seller "vladyjhanvlada" are a sham, with shill bidding being carried out extensively. The thread included plenty of evidence, and I don't recall any posts at all which attempted to refute this.

I believe Danb is incorrect. There was no Data Protection issue, because the posts that included actual names were simply re-posts from Facebook, where the people involved had already made that information available publicly.

I should add that it's also a well-known tactic for people who want to cover up information on forums to post inappropriate or abusive content in the thread to get it deleted. It looks to me as if that tactic has been applied here and has worked.

[danb]

maybe a good read of this might put things straight
https://www.joc.org.uk/privacy" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[danb]

Then once your finished with that
Have a good read on this
https://ico.org.uk/media/for-organisati ... actice.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
And it might of just been a print screen from face book
But when a company allows the release of personal data
It's a offence ,don't worry we're all covered by laws
This is exactly why joc have a private message system
You can say and do what you like and talk about anybody by any name you wish to choose
All right put up comments on subjects
But unless you have a court order
Don't ever do it .
It's not fair
Alex is my friend
I'm no part of his business , I live 60 miles from him and only see him a few times a year
I'm not part of the speculated shill bidding
Which if there was a under bidder who'd got sent a second chance offer
I wouldn't defend him .
But I do no there wasn't and never had been .
And I truly doubt itl ever happen.
It's just speculation to say shill bidding has took place
If you have someone
Then yes you could contact the correct people
As shill bidding only applies if there is a victim to press charges
And eBay see it that way too
If you don't like it
Please don't use eBay
Problem is no one ever really reads policy
And pops up as the authority .
This is not me being narky or acting a idiot
I no the facts
Your just speculating
Thanks and this is not intended to upset no one
Cheers and have a good Christmas

[mojo]

But when a company allows the release of personal data
It's a offence ,don't worry we're all covered by laws

Don't be ridiculous. The data on Facebook was posted by you. If you choose to make it public in that way, you can't complain if someone posts it somewhere else. They don't need a "court order" and if you complain about it - to the ICO or anywhere else - you will get nowhere.

And yes, I know that you just want to turn this thread into a bunfight as well so that it will get deleted.

[cannonball]

I just do not understand how you think it is ok to bid on a no reserve auction to inflate the price, genuine people are bidding on the cars thinking that perhaps they are going to win it for a good price but little do they know that either you or someone else connected to the seller is bidding against them to make them perhaps pay more than they really want to,.

example, blue mustang no reserve auction a week or so ago sold £16,000 or so the world thinks but it is to t****s 327 so not really sold, relisted twice since,, brown jensen sold 40k or there abouts winner t***s 327. Audi on auction now 30 something grand high bidder now is you guessed it t***s 327

no matter how you put it, that lot is wrong, i do know that if less than 12 hrs to go on auction you can not end listing so to bid it stupid high so no one can win it is maybe ok if only way to sort that out, but otherwise the auctions should all be a reserve auction so people know where they are at,,

[joesparks]

Hey Duncan.
Perhaps t***s327 is just lucky on ebay .
Joe.

[danb]

Oh it wasn't me who posted it in joc though
It was Jon
And being part of joc he's governed, by organisation data protection
Let's say some crazy phyco has been watching Danb in the forum
Well that murdering phyco now no who I am
Hence why you have a username
I'm a puplic entity and entirely protected by the law of the uk
Which our laws our practised under admiral law
Not common law
That only counts in uk for serious crimes.
If you want it plain and simple I could get a court order within 28 days
I could sue for sue for damages
There digital record regardless of it being deleted
I can assure you that as I deal with data recovery
Please honestly don't try and quote the law to me unless you have degrees in it
Correct me if I'm wrong
But pleased do it politely as I talk to others how they talk to me
And no I don't condone running up a auction to take someone for extra money
I wouldn't like it done to me and I don't expect it to happen to others
You seem to think there's a victim out there
There's not ,I'm not trying to be funny or smart.
But I no no one has been run up on any auction that my friend is or has part off
I think this is just everyone is a bit gutted coz he's just brought another 3 FFs
And on top of the rest you'd don't like it as your not getting a look in
My thought on this was to maybe either distance myself from Alex and his auctions
Or maybe ask him to give joc members priority on any jensens prior to him putting them on eBay
At least that way joc would prioritise all cars
And if no one at joc wants to buy them
Maybe your thoughts on the posting or distancing myself from the auctions , obviously Alex is my friend and always will be.
But I do not think it's fair for my name to be out there
When he's just a friend of mine
I'm defending him yes , but also myself as I no he's never ripped anyone off
Or run a auction to inflate his profits .
And me I no how and why he does what he does
It's part of his business so it's his business
Not yours .
All the car dealers operate the same way on eBay
You've just singled him out .

But when a company allows the release of personal data
It's a offence ,don't worry we're all covered by laws

Don't be ridiculous. The data on Facebook was posted by you. If you choose to make it public in that way, you can't complain if someone posts it somewhere else. They don't need a "court order" and if you complain about it - to the ICO or anywhere else - you will get nowhere.

And yes, I know that you just want to turn this thread into a bunfight as well so that it will get deleted.

[danb]

Also I don't bid.
And for a fact eBay has a policy
But long winded
But if there policy is to let it go on it's there policy
And no it's not me who bids on Alex's auctions
If no one wins the auction
Apart from him or his other phone
Then no one has been scammed or run up .
You only complain or have a valid complain if you can prove YOU BROUGHT A item in a auction with shill bidders.
And if you want answers on his practise his number is in the add
But better texting him unless you speak fluent Russian

[mojo]

You only complain or have a valid complain if you can prove YOU BROUGHT A item in a auction with shill bidders.

What complete and utter rubbish. I can quote Ebay's rule on shill bidding, as it's plainly stated by them:

"Shill bidding is when someone known by the seller—such as a family member, friend, roommate, employee, or online connection—bids on an item to artificially increase its price, desirability, or search standing.

Shill bidding isn't allowed on eBay. Members who shill bid may have restrictions placed on their account."

As you can see, it's quite clear that it's against their rules, irrespective of whether "YOU BROUGHT" an item or not.

[danb]

Due et mon droit
EBay's policy is eBay's policy
Not mine
If they let it go in then it's up to them
And they don't give a dam I don't think
As there's no victim .
90% of traders on eBay do the same thing
eBay are not going to moan I suppose
There doubeling there fees
Take it up with eBay
But under uk law to do anything , there has to be a victim .
No victim no offence no crime no prosecution
Just bags of wind so to speak

Like I said it's not me it's a friend of mine
I'm not in business with him or anybody
I'm far to busy running my own little empire lol

[AH1951]

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[danb]

And take note of eBay policy you posted
eBay MAY restrict
That's why I'm afraid they use that wording
They may restrict a account
If there's is a victim
Like I said read things carefully

[mojo]

EBay's policy is eBay's policy
Not mine

Ah right - so you know that it's their policy to allow shill bidding "unless there's a victim", except that you don't (because they don't).

I won't be waiting with baited breath for you to share any more of your knowledge on this forum.

[danb]

Pllease read eBay policy very carefully
I'm
Not saying they allow it as they don't
But see there reasons for restricting or banning
I don't make the rules
What I'm saying is if someone can prove that a auction is run to profit or increase the value (which is same as profit )
Or to get higher ratings on eBay (feedback manipulation ) .
Which if the winning bidder leaves positive feedback is feedback manipulation
Well under eBay policy
That hasn't been done
Has it
On anything
He hasn't sold for a higher value
Nor interfered with feedback ratings
Not sold to a underbidder
I think you need to
Concentrate and read up on what your going on about.
Because I do before I comment .
Take this wording
Due et mon droit

[Martin R]

Shill bidding: "artificially increase its price, desirability, or search standing."

Which is PRECISELY what the seller in these cases is doing!

Artificially increasing the price and desirability- artificially making lots of cars appear to be selling to a higher price than perhaps they otherwise might.

End of.