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1939 Jensen H-Type Chassis 9641, Eng 3980/9447 at Sotheby's

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by Robinson D » Thu Feb 21, 2019 9:03 pm

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by felixkk » Fri Feb 22, 2019 7:25 pm

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„RM Sotheby's is honored to announce that it will present the esteemed Guyton Collection, comprising the cars and automobilia of the late Mr. Fred Guyton, entirely without reserve. Set for 4–5 May at the collection site in St. Louis, Missouri, the auction will present Mr. Guyton's 60 Veteran, Brass, and Classic Era automobiles alongside hundreds of pieces of automobilia and collectibles.

A beloved fixture of the collector car hobby, Mr. Guyton was well known and respected within collecting and car club circles, having amassed his renowned collection over more than four decades. After graduating from the University of Illinois College of Fine & Applied Arts in 1961 with a Bachelor of Architecture, Fred Guyton spent a year in the Peace Corps before his induction into the U.S. Army, where he served as a helicopter pilot. After discharge, Fred moved to St. Louis and began his illustrious career as an architect, which culminated in his co-founding of the world-renowned architectural firm Peckham Guyton Albers & Viets, Inc. (PGAV), where he continued to work until his passing in 2018. During Fred's 35 years as Chairman of PGAV, he led the development of landmark projects around the globe, including Busch Gardens Williamsburg & Tampa, Anheuser-Busch World Headquarters, and Universal Studios Theme Parks. Mr. Guyton was a proud St. Louisan, active in civic works, and was appointed by a succession of St. Louis Mayors to numerous posts of local importance.

All of Mr. Guyton's experiences led him to be a true student of history, his passion for which is visible throughout his collection. The motor cars are focused on the era that begins with the dawn of the automobile and culminates in the immediate pre-war period, bringing to light the best of the era's technological advancements and engineering. Both American and European automobiles were chosen for their importance to automotive history. A true hobbyist, Mr. Guyton was on the Board of Directors of the Classic Car Club of America (CCCA), Classic Car Club Museum, and the CCCA Spirit of St. Louis Region.

Of the 60 automobiles on offer, a trio of Classic Era highlights stand apart from the rest. These include an incredibly rare 1930 Packard 734 Speedster Eight Phaeton, chassis no. 184100, which is an exceptionally original example of the ultimate performance Packard of its era. Offered from just two owners since 1955, including well-known East Coast Packard collector, Tom Mix, the Speedster Eight Phaeton is one of just five ever built, and is worthy of inclusion in the very best collections of American Classics. Joining the Packard is a 1930 Duesenberg Model J Murphy Convertible Sedan, engine no. J-329, a highly cherished piece within the collection. Originally driven by Indianapolis racer Leon Duray, the Model J was stunningly restored by Chris Charlton. Complete with its original chassis, body, and engine, the Duesenberg comes to market having seldom been shown and providing a host of opportunities for its next owner, who would surely be welcomed at virtually any major concours. Rounding out the group is a 1930 Ruxton Model C Baker-Raulang Roadster, chassis no. 11005. A well-known example of a pioneering front-wheel-drive American car, the Ruxton on offer was one of Mr. Guyton's favorite cars, with known history from new and the Best-Preserved Pre-War Car honors at the Pebble Beach Concours d'Elegance. One of the rarest American Full Classics—a mere seven examples remain—a Ruxton Roadster is seldom available for public sale.“
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by Michael Richardson » Mon Feb 25, 2019 9:37 am

Well,that is news to me...I had assumed that the convertibles with the divided rear deck/aeroscreens would be an S Type,and this feature was dropped on the H Type. I note that it is RHD. Maybe there is a Nash 4 and a quarter fitted,but the H was a good bit longer in the chassis to accommodate the straight 8as opposed to the three and a half V8. I shall be interested to hear what Richard makes of this.
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by Chris_R » Mon Feb 25, 2019 11:15 am

The posted chassis number is not listed in Richard's Chassis Data book.
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by Michael Richardson » Mon Feb 25, 2019 12:12 pm

Thank you Chris...so I am of the opinion that the car offered is a 1937/8 S type. I just wonder whether anyone has lifted the bonnet(hood !) and had a look in. Maybe Sothebys are working from limited info/knowledge. However,...I can definitely confirm that this is a pre-war Jensen,and as such will be very interesting to see how it sells,and maybe repatriated to UK. I hope more info comes out of the woodwork before April.
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by Chris_R » Mon Feb 25, 2019 2:36 pm

The quoted chassis number and engine number are of the format of the other recorded H-Types e.g. H10 is 9450 with engine 3980/9450.
It could be one of the half dozen that Richard couldn't (at the time) identify or the half dozen for which he didn't have any information. He may have more up to date information since 1991 when the book was published.
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by felixkk » Mon Feb 25, 2019 3:48 pm

From http://www.ultimatecarpage.com/car/3946 ... ourer.html

2008 Pebble Beach Concours d'Elegance
Class J2: European Classic Open 1935-1940
Chassis: H7 9447
License Plates: BUE 922 / Missouri 8 250

Specifications http://www.ultimatecarpage.com/spec/394 ... ourer.html

Nash Straight 8 (4,205 cc / 256.6 cu in)

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by Chris_R » Mon Feb 25, 2019 4:50 pm

So where does 9641 come from?
BUE was a Warwickshire registration issued from June 1937 to about November 1938.
Anyway, I can't afford it.
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by Richard Calver » Mon Feb 25, 2019 9:58 pm

It's a well-known car. The BUE plate is a ringer from an Alvis. I saw it in 1998 about three years after the restoration was completed. The workmanship is amazing. Even the block has been ground or bogged (or both). However, all of the visual originality has been lost. The pre-war data as seen in the 1991 databook was very limited. In the new version, due out later this year, the pre-war data is almost complete.
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by mikebyrne » Tue Feb 26, 2019 9:30 am

Is this the vehicle you are looking for?

Registration number BUE 922
Make BENTLEY
Colour BLUE

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Just did DVLC vehicle check.
Could be a big problem if re-registering in UK , or have DVLC got it wrong ?
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by MikeWilliams » Tue Feb 26, 2019 10:03 pm

No problem registering in the UK because that is not its correct UK registration number. The DVLA would either allocate a new number or allow it to retain the number it had before export.

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by Rohan Christmas » Tue Feb 26, 2019 11:25 pm

Is it just me or is there something askew with something like the front track, wheel size, number of spokes or tyre size?
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by mikebyrne » Wed Feb 27, 2019 7:59 am

Yes, wheels just look too small and don't suit the car, going by photos.
What were originals, 16" ?
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by Joerg » Wed Feb 27, 2019 8:45 am

Should be 16" - but this car has many other non original features.
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by MikeWilliams » Wed Feb 27, 2019 8:46 am

The originals were 16in Mike. Early S types had 17in and look even better in my opinion.

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