Mk1 Int 115 3523 CGT 5H at CCA Auction

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Mk1 Int 115 3523 CGT 5H at CCA Auction

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https://www.classiccarauctions.co.uk/ev ... -6.3-litre
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Not sold at hammer price of £26500.
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Back again soon on Trade Classics
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Is that really a bolt and washer to strengthen a crack in one of the steering wheel spokes?

If so, hardly confidence inspiring (re: quality of restoration and maintenance).
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Good to see the vendor rated the clutch as 3 out of 5 stars.
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It's got no flare on the back archesImage..Another restoration by a "Specialist"Image
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Strange repair as the wheel does not seem that badly damaged in earlier pics:
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This car looks very good but only received 26K bid. Why is that so? I have said before that auctions are only for poor/middling cars. This looks like a reasonable offering and perhaps deserves better. Thoughts please. Discuss. I think the real price/value of our marque for quality cars is much, much higher and perhaps buyers with coin not JOC members but wanting a Jensen are paying far more and do not use auctions as usually dross only there. Kenny38
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Low price - as pointed out the rear wheel arches do not have the correct form. This brings the question why was it not repaired properly? What lies beneath? It is a major flaw. Expensive to put right.
Secondly the interior has been redone, again not in the original style. It was a choice of the previous owner and while he may loved it, deviating from the original usually brings down the price.
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Dion wrote: Tue Jan 11, 2022 10:38 am Low price - as pointed out the rear wheel arches do not have the correct form. This brings the question why was it not repaired properly? What lies beneath? It is a major flaw. Expensive to put right.
Secondly the interior has been redone, again not in the original style. It was a choice of the previous owner and while he may loved it, deviating from the original usually brings down the price.
There is something strange with the front arches to my eyes, they look wrong to me in the first picture and different from side to side. I might be wrong on this as I am used to looking at FF arches, but something to check closely.
Grant wrote: Mon Jan 10, 2022 10:17 pm It's got no flare on the back archesImage..Another restoration by a "Specialist"Image
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Mark1Stu wrote: Mon Jan 10, 2022 7:11 pm Is that really a bolt and washer to strengthen a crack in one of the steering wheel spokes?

If so, hardly confidence inspiring (re: quality of restoration and maintenance).
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Grant will be after that wheel to add to his collection - that's a unique design that even he hasn't got (thank god).
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VFK44 wrote: Sun Jan 16, 2022 9:34 am Grant will be after that wheel to add to his collection - that's a unique design that even he hasn't got (thank god).
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From the auction description:
"You will see from our photographic package that there is a large washer bolted to the right hand side spoke of the wheel. We can only assume that this is a repair of some sort and it appears to have no detrimental effect on the usability of the steering wheel."

If it needed an MOT test it would probably be a Major fail if it is disguising a crack [2.2.1 (c) (i)].
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Indeed a sad case of an original car which looks to have taken a wrong turn at restoration.

There are too many Interceptors (and some FFs) which fall into this territory for my liking. Personally, I’d like to see the club more actively trying to address this - if for no other reason than to safeguard the reputation of the marque. Whether it’s:

1) A full Interceptor buyers guide link on the JOC main page (a comprehensive example was produced for the Interceptor but not progressed to date - as it was thought similar corporate styled examples should be produced across the other models);

2 A web based (shorter) guide to rust in the Interceptor body and advice and pictures as to its proper restoration;

3. Consideration given to whether the club should recognise the work of those suppliers ‘having demonstrated they produce bodywork of a quality in keeping with that of Jensen Motors’….or something along those lines - with a suitable caveat that it remains the owner’s responsibility to decide whether the organisation’s CURRENT workforce, practices, timescales and costs meet their requirements. Taken together with 1 &/or 2 above, surely it would help owners to make more informed choices. I would see this as being a very short list of businesses, which of course may change. Perhaps a feedback mechanism could be set up on the JOC web site to inform the future recognised suppliers list? Again caveated to ensure the provider of feedback must not expect the JOC to take up any negative experience on their behalf, nor necessarily change its view of the supplier, based on their feedback alone.

Why do we need this? To counter the combination of dubious restorers, I’ll informed social media comment along the lines of ‘that looks great mate’, and perhaps some individuals who are prolific posters keen to share their opinion (which may or may not be accurate or helpful).

We must surely have a core of people who know what a good Jensen looks like (having judged concours may not always be sufficient), some of which would be prepared to contribute (I.e.committee sub-group) should the club need extra support?

Such an approach could subsequently be widened to encompass mechanical, electrical, trim if the will and person power existed within the club….but that’s for another day.

Personally, I think earlier Jensen models are well served by the club, being communities within themselves. Thus, I suspect the small volume of earlier cars and perhaps more discerning buyers of these models negates the need for a similar approach to that for the Interceptor?

Just my personal opinion and no slight to the Registrar(s) intended.
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